Kinks mailing list Digest, Number 3462
Friday, 10 September 2010
Topics:
Official Kinks Facebook Page [Neil Ottenstein <neil@kps.kindakinks.net>]
new VH1 vid of the Kinks [Trust Your Heart]
37th top act [Mark Andersson <markjandersson@kps.gmail.com>]
Don't Keep Doing This Dave. ["Tony Dawson-Hill" <tonydh@kps.f2s.com>]
Suggest a title for Ray's new album...? [krankiekat@kps.aol.com]
Teach Like Your Hair's on Fire [The Boinks <boinks@kps.knology.net>]
for those in the NYC area catch the Doughboys this [krankiekat@kps.aol.com]
Re: KPS 3460 [Marktnyc@kps.aol.com]
Come Dancing musical ["chris van alem" <c.van.alem@kps.home.nl>]
Beach Boys and the Kinks? [Ken Marten <ken_marten@kps.yahoo.com>]
Kinks/Beach Boys [curtis birklid <cbirklid@kps.yahoo.com>]
Kinks and the Grateful Dead [dj0454@kps.aol.com]
Beach Boys and The Kinks [dj0454@kps.aol.com]
Grateful Dead [dj0454@kps.aol.com]
British Invasion [dj0454@kps.aol.com]
Vic's Dead Thread [dj0454@kps.aol.com]
Kinks and American Bands [dj0454@kps.aol.com]
Kinks/Dead and the Beach Boys [William Johnson <william.johnson008@kps.comc]
Dead in common [Angerface3 <angerface3@kps.aol.com>]
Grateful Dead/Rolling Stones--Highest Grossing Band [KgooGlog@kps.aol.com]
well...it's 'cause they're not like anybod [Jill Brand <jlbrand@kps.bu.edu>]
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Neil Ottenstein <neil@kps.kindakinks.net>
Subject: Official Kinks Facebook Page
An official Kinks Fcaebook page was started yesterday.
It is at
www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=114&uid=133206500059423#!/pages/The-Kinks/133206500059423
Neil
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:55:13 -0400
From: Trust Your Heart
Subject: new VH1 vid of the Kinks
From VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of All Time - just aired this week...The
Kinks #39 (VH1's rating - should be #1)
Hot off the BioKinks posting...Thank you BioKinks!
Good clips of the Kinks!
~ Mindy aka BerkeleyMews7/TrustYourHeart
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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:46:19 -0700
From: Mark Andersson <markjandersson@kps.gmail.com>
Subject: 37th top act
First, thanks Neil for doing this listserv and thanks to all to participate.
It's nice to live as remotely as I do and still have a community of friends,
none of whom I have actually ever met. Thanks all.
These listings of acts, especially if they're in Rolling Stone or VH1,
always leave me a bit frustrated. Inevitably they rank Madonna, or Twisted
Sister ahead of the The Kinks and it leaves me wondering how, or why, they
ever got into writing about the music business when they can't tell
substantial music from frivolous. I was at the grocery store and saw a
magazine of the 500 greatest rock songs and there were two Kinks on it.
Embarrassing for Rolling Stone, I 'd say. Do they know what a good song
really is? There were no doubt many popular songs in the 20s that have
disappeared for good reason, while the cream rose to the top and is still
popular today.
Personally the lead news story of the day should be something that will
affect my life a year from the day it's printed or aired. Not that a baby
drove a car into a building. That's not news.
And, in sort of the same way, I think the best acts, or the best songs,
should be ones that will hold up over time. There are acts who want to be
rich and famous (hello, Madonna) and acts that do music because they have
something to say and have interesting ways to say it. Like Ray and Dave
both do, and do it very well I think.
And I wonder what acts will be listened to (either recordings of the band or
having their songs covered) and think it'll be The Kinks, (plus solo work),
Harry Nilsson, Prince, Springsteen, Randy Newman, Beatles, Bob Marley and
many others I just can't think of right now. As much as I love Zeppelin and
The Who, I wonder how they hold up in 50 or 75 years.
I guess my point is that, if the criteria for RS and Vh1's lists were the
same The Kinks would be higher and many of the acts above them wouldn't even
make the list.
Comments?
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 18:43:00 +0100
From: "Tony Dawson-Hill" <tonydh@kps.f2s.com>
Subject: Don't Keep Doing This Dave.
I don't know how others feel but I'm getting a little peeved buying from
Dave's website. I bought the Mystical Journey DVD when it was first
released, a year or so ago. Now a new version is now coming out with an
additional soundtrack CD. If I want the CD AND a signed DVD at that, I'll
have to buy the DVD again!
A similar thing happens with the CDs; I buy a copy, from Dave's website, as
soon as it is released only to discover that a few months later signed
copies are being offered. I sometimes think that us loyal fans of Dave's are
being cheated. Or is Dave teasing us to see if we are loyal and will buy an
additional copy to get that bit extra...........nah I'm not that loyal!
Sorry Dave.
TDH
[First thing that you can expect from Dave's website store is that
eventually he will be offering to sign items sold there. He has these
offers every now and then signing anything sold there for the next
few weeks.
As far as Mystical Journey - the first version was billed as a limited
edition. The new one he is selling is the European version which might
not play properly on all machiens made in the US. For folks in Europe,
if they already have another version the songs on the accompanying CD
are (or will be) available as mp3s from several sources. If you've been
buying CDs from Dave's site you may already have most of the songs.
There are a few new songs, so getting just those may be the way to go. -
Neil]
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:48:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: krankiekat@kps.aol.com
Subject: Suggest a title for Ray's new album...?
Chris Kocher has a great idea for the new Ray kollaborations/duet album
title..." Duet It Again " so far he has got my vote!
FranK
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 11:51:10 -0500
From: The Boinks <boinks@kps.knology.net>
Subject: Teach Like Your Hair's on Fire
Anyone read this fine little book by Rafe Esquith about his adventures
teaching 5th grade? In it is mentioned at the very least SIX Kinks
tunes. (At least as many Beatles and maybe twice as many Stones, but
still ...)
BP
The Boinks
(All The Kinks That's Fit To Play)
www.myspace.com/theboinksallkinksboinks@knology.net
"... I don't feel afraid ..." -- Ray Davies
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 14:18:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: krankiekat@kps.aol.com
Subject: for those in the NYC area catch the Doughboys this saturday night
My friends Doughboys are performing this Saturday (9/11) at Ella Lounge,
located at 9 Avenue A (between 1st and 2nd Streets).
They do some killer versions of kinks songs like Gotta Get the First plane
Home and She's got everything, plus more...they are big fans. And their
originals are great too! They totally rock!
FranK
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 12:53:27 EDT
From: Marktnyc@kps.aol.com
Subject: Re: KPS 3460
The L.A. band LOVE gave great live performances, with a super-talented
genius frontman in Arthur Lee, also a wonderful songwriter. As with the
Kinks, they did not get the recognition they deserved and (though sometimes
self-destructive) when they rocked, they rocked! RIP Arthur Lee.
<<[But what American band, would you think would be "equivalent" to the
Kinks in the characteristics that Vic lists? - Neil]>>
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 19:46:18 +0200
From: "chris van alem" <c.van.alem@kps.home.nl>
Subject: Come Dancing musical
Good idea to put a record out of the songs in the Come Dancing musical,
someday. But it would also be good to know, someday, why the Come Dancing
shows end 2009/early 2010 were called off. We never got to know why we
travelled to London in vain. Maybe Ray can make it up a little bit by
playing one of the songs from the musical , e.a. 'A Better Thing' at his
forthcoming show in Amsterdam.
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 12:47:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Marten <ken_marten@kps.yahoo.com>
Subject: Beach Boys and the Kinks?
Beach Boys and the Kinks?
As a lifelong Midwesterner, I must toss my opinion of the Beach Boys
into the mix. They may have represented a slice of Americana, but
certainly not my slice. Surfing, sunbathing, sand castles, oceanside
clambakes, etc., simply didn't happen in my neck of the United States.
Sure, we had warm weather during summer, but "endless summer" it wasn't.
My Americana includes winter, snow days school cancellation, football on
Sunday, deerhunting, assembly lines, trick-or-treating, summer camp, and
hotdogs on the Fourth of July, and other things.
I've never considered the Beach Boys' music as "my" music. It may
represent, at times, the "American Dream." It may represent, to some
folks outside the United States, American culture; but I can assure
those folks that the Beach Boys' culture is a subculture at most.
Now, as for lyrical content and song topics, the Beach Boys in no way
measure up to the Kinks. The Kinks are deep. The Beach Boys are kiddie
pool. However, that's not to say the Beach Boys' music isn't fun. it is,
but I can only take it in smallish doses.
Ken Marten
Detroit
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:05:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: curtis birklid <cbirklid@kps.yahoo.com>
Subject: Kinks/Beach Boys
I'm a huge fan of both and the similarities and differences have been
well discussed here. What I would like to hear is a collabaration
between Ray and Brian Wilson. Two genius men in their field. Brian's
melodies and Ray's lyrics together would be something to behold. Not
that Ray has any problem with melody himself but as Dylan once said,
"Brians' ears should be in the Smithsonian".
Speaking of Mr Bob: In my "wouldn't it be cool if" thoughts, Hendrix and
Dylan woulda sat down at a table and traded some ideas back and forth.
"All Along The Watchtower" is proof enough. Redefined the tune for
everyone and is still one of the best singles ever recorded. That feel.
That solo. Whew!
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:28:10 -0400
From: dj0454@kps.aol.com
Subject: Kinks and the Grateful Dead
Well the "Grateful Dead" certainly cannot be compared to the Kinks!
Their music is entirely different. For one the Dead do more jamming
then singing..And their songs are not as well written as "Kinks" songs.
There are many American bands from the mid 60's that had songs that
had a little British flavoring to them. I would say that "Paul Revere and
the Raiders" sounded similar to the "Kinks"..."Just Like Me" sounded
something like the "Kinks" would play.
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:40:48 -0400
From: dj0454@kps.aol.com
Subject: Beach Boys and The Kinks
I didn't know Ray had a nervous breakdown. In 1966?
I find no comparison to the Beach Boys sound to the Kinks sound.
Actually I find nothing in common with either band, unless
you want to go by Ray and Brian both having a nervous breakdown.
The Kinks were rocking with Dave gouging his amp with knitting
needles and making his amp speaker make that special sound for
"You Really Got Me" while the "Beach Boys" were always singing
about going to the beach and surfing...Always do do do..do do do...
DA DA DA..DA DA DA....Ray doesn't sing like that...I never was a fan
of the Beach Boys...But I did enjoy seeing Brian Wilson do his Pet
Sounds show live on PBS. The "Pet Sounds" album may be the best
thing the Beach Boys have ever done..Or should I say Brian Wilson?
Tom/Ohio
<<Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 22:54:27 -0700
From: lonelysummer@kps.webtv.net (Ron Fowler)
Subject: Grateful Dead no, Beach Boys yes
I've always thought the parallel band to the Kinks in the US was the
Beach Boys. Both were lead by genius composers who suffered nervous
breakdowns. Ray was absent for a tour in 1966; Brian was absent for most
tours after 1964. Both bands also had younger brothers that were
overshadowed by their genius leader (Dave in the Kinks, of course, and
Dennis and Carl in the BB's). Dave, Dennis, and Carl all made solo
albums while still members of their respective groups. Both bands were
commercially hot in the mid 60's, but struggled for recognition in the
late 60's/early 70's. Oddly, both the Kinks and Beach Boys found greater
success in Great Britain in the late 60's. Both bands also had
successful comebacks in the States in the 70's - the BB's with Endless
Summer, Spirit of America and 15 Big Ones (the former two simply being
repackings of their 60's hits); the Kinks with their Arista output. Both
bands were also famous for their infighting. BB's fights generally
pitted the Wilson brothers against the non-Wilson members of the band.
The Davies Brothers did not share the Wilsons sense of brotherly
solidarity - they were too busy pounding the piss out of each other to
think about anything like family loyalty and love. And today? Both bands
are remembered primarily for their 60's work - the BB's evocations of
surf, sand, girls and cars, the American Dream; and the Kinks homages to
all things British. And we'll likely never see either group reunited
onstage again in this life. >>
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:49:12 -0400
From: dj0454@kps.aol.com
Subject: Grateful Dead
Ken,
I agree with you except for you saying the Doors can be equated.
The Doors? Are you saying the Doors are similar to The Kinks?
Jim Morrison and his poetry matched to music and Ray's songs? Huh?
Anyhow the Grateful Dead and their weird country music or whatever
you want to call it never really did much for me..I like their greatest
hits but could never see myself tripping to their music...Most of the
people that go to their shows don't even go inside the building to
watch the band play..They sit outside in the parking lot grilling out
drinking beer and smoking J's...What is the point? When "Phish"
came out and the Dead had disbanded for awhile there was "Phishheads"
They were like the Dead...But "Phish" were a little more interesting
then the Dead...Trey Anastino (guitarist) on his own is great..
Tom/Ohio
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 19:21:40 EDT
From: KgooGlog@kps.aol.com
<<Subject: grateful dead
How about The Doors, for starters, as an "American Band" which can be
only equated, in my biased opinion, as a US "poor man's Kinks" squad. I
completely agree with Nick's assessment about the Dead, who I saw 32
years or so ago at Madison Square Garden. This "band" put on a five
hour, torturous, not to mention the most boring set of "jams" I ever had
to pay good US dollars for the displeasure of seeing and hearing, and I
am including the variety of High School bands that I witnessed for free
in New Jersey.>>
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:54:53 -0400
From: dj0454@kps.aol.com
Subject: British Invasion
Kate,
I think alot of people got stuck in the British Invasion. Because
most of the great bands came from there..The Beatles and The
Rolling Stones to name two...I think at least 75% of the music
I listen to are British bands...
Tom/Ohio
<<Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 08:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kate Ratigan <phoebequack@kps.yahoo.com>
Subject: The "Dead"
I agree with you,Nick!!The "Dead" are nothing like The Kinks,and I am
not a big fan either.I do not hate them...just never got into their
music,even when I was smoking my share of pot!!! I am not sure there is
an American "equivalent" to The Kinks.I admit,I may not even be
qualified to judge because I got stuck in the British Invasion and never
got out!!>>
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:01:42 -0400
From: dj0454@kps.aol.com
Subject: Vic's Dead Thread
Vic,
I don't remember exactly what you original post said but as I
remember it you were comparing the Kinks to the Dead and that
is how all these messages came from. That is ok dude if you think
that way....But don't expect nobody to beg to differ on what you write.
Tom/Ohio
<<Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:06:14 -0500
From: "Kreuiter, Vic" <vic.kreuiter@kps.fleishman.com>
Subject: Kinks & Dead
I must not have been clear with my Kinks/Dead thread
I did not intend to say that the bands are similar in style at all, but
rather that they both mine similar veins from their respective cultures. In
my opinion, both bands draw heavily from the working class (and burgeoning
middle class) roots of their cultures. Further, I think both bands are
unabashed in their respect for their influences and in fact, champion those
influences. In short, I think The Grateful Dead are a distinctly American
band, and I'll leave it to the Brits to make that call about The
Kinks.>>
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 23:17:39 -0400
From: dj0454@kps.aol.com
Subject: Kinks and American Bands
What is this link about? Bands that sound like the Kinks?
Or bands from America that had alot of hits that sound
nothing like the Kinks? I am confused here.
Tom/Ohio
<<Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:04:41 -0500
From: william cannon <wcannon15@kps.msn.com>
Subject: Kinks and American Band(s)
Good writeup by Ron Fowler on the Kinks vs the Beach Boys. Another band
which reminds me of the Kinks ALOT is Creedence Clearwater Revival. WHY?
Both bands had a significant number of 60's hits-one could argue that the
Kinks and CCR catalogue in the US are similar-large number of hits in a
short time period in the US. Now add the Kinks UK hits and the Kinks win
the total hit count for the 60's-globally. Now both bands have brothers,
one who wrote "most" of the hits, who fought, who unfortunately in the
case of CCR-did not ever repair their relationship. Both bands were very
young, both bands got screwed contractually-to the point where John
Fogerty left the business for over 10 years. While CCR died in effect,
both the Kinks and John Fogerty experienced a rebirth in the US in the 80s
albiet one earlier than the other. Both Ray and John have remained vital
performers and writers, both get 4 star reviews whenever they appear live.
Very similar bands, both do not get the recognition they deserve. Mr
Bill>>
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 07:51:21 -0400
From: William Johnson <william.johnson008@kps.comcast.net>
Subject: Kinks/Dead and the Beach Boys
"Subject: Kinks & Dead
I must not have been clear with my Kinks/Dead thread"
Vic, I understood what you were saying and I agree about the similarities
not in the music but in the national culture sense.
Congrats on discovering "Holland" and "Carl and the Passions". Way back when
at the same time I was tying to convince friends that the Kinks were still
relevant and turning out great stuff after their 60's hits, I was doing he
same with the Beach Boys. "The Trader" is one of my all time favorites. If I
could have picked one singing voice I would like to have had it would have
been Carl Wilson's.
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 01:52:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Angerface3 <angerface3@kps.aol.com>
Subject: Dead in common
On the never ending subject of Dead/Kinks talk one thing they
definitely had in common was (1) song they both recorded &
sung...........................................................
.......................(that's a silent drum roll by the way)
................................."Dancing In The Streets". From "Kinda
Kinks" & "Shakedown Street".
Larry "Angerface" Anger
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 15:59:02 EDT
From: KgooGlog@kps.aol.com
Subject: Grateful Dead/Rolling Stones--Highest Grossing Band
Hi Neil...
According more recent data, The Rolling Stones are, in fact, the highest
grossing band in terms of concerts and tours.
In response to the information you provided, I just felt kompelled to
research this a little more, as the last date reported by Forbes seemed to be
in 1993. Forgive my Virgo tendencies, LOL!
There are links attached to the following data:
According to my research, I believe that this will set the record
straight insofar as the highest Grossing Band in Music History is
concerned with respect to tours, concerts, etc.:
(concerts - totals)
Rolling Stones $1.7billion
M Jackson $1 billion ($500m "this is it" grossed sales)
U2 $1billion
Madonna $780m
B Springsteen $605
The Rolling Stones still hold the record for the biggest selling grossed
tour to date (inflation adjusted)
A Bigger Bang Tour - $608m
This is it - $500m (if he turned up)
Voodoo Lounge - $456m
Bridges to Babylon - $450m
Vertigo - $420m
All the info at
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest_grossing_concert_toursen.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artistswww.rollingstone.com/music/news/17386/119095<<[In 1989 The Dead were listed (by Forbes) as third in concert grosses
behind the Rolling Stones and The Who. In 1991 they were the
top-grossing band in the US, with 79 concerts. In 1993 they were the
highest grossing concert attraction in the US.
www.dead101.com/biogd.htm- Neil]>>
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:31:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jill Brand <jlbrand@kps.bu.edu>
Subject: well...it's 'cause they're not like anybody else
First of all, DL1742@kps.aol.com mentioned a comparison between Muswell
Hillbillies and Workingman's Dead/American Beauty. All I can say is that
those are the only two Dead albums that I love. And seeing the Dead live
(Summer of 1973?) was torture. But the thing about the Kinks is that they
don't sound like anybody else who was recording when they were (I'm
talking about the pre-arena rock years). If anything, there are bands
from the 90s and 00s that have been making music more in the ethic of the
Kinks than anyone was in the 70s.
When I was listening to the Kinks in the 70s, I was hardly listening to
anyone else. I thought rock had died...until the Sex Pistols!!!!
Jill, who is, as of 7 hours ago, an empty-nester
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