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Post by bamajohn1 on Oct 9, 2013 12:09:12 GMT -5
It is hard to believe that it's another year since the last discussion of Ray being up for the Songwriters Hall of Fame induction! I just saw John Mellencamp trending on yahoo and it turns out it was because he is a Songwriter Hall of Fame nominee along with Ray. I can see some worthy nominees, but Linda Perry of 4 Non Blonde one hit wonder fame (What's Up) and writing songs for the latest pop chanteuse of the moment such as Pink???; she is ok, but it doesn't seem right to see her name alongside someone who should have been inducted in this body as least as far back as the 80s (Songwriters Hall began in 1970 with Hank Williams Sr being one of the original inductees). Ray Davies just doesn't get his due at all here in the US music hierarchy; he'd never have had to wait 44 years and counting to be inducted in such a body in England, for instance! ca.news.yahoo.com/madonna-john-mellencamp-ray-davies-cyndi-lauper-nominated-130040968.html
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Post by HollyH on Oct 12, 2013 15:15:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure he'd get in even in the UK, if it required playing politics -- which seems to be the case here. Ray's never been one to suck up to the people in charge of things like this!
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Post by HollyH on Feb 10, 2014 18:12:31 GMT -5
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Post by gary on Feb 11, 2014 22:35:48 GMT -5
The New York Times does a pretty good job of summarizing Ray's achievements in one sentence: Mr. Davies, the founder and principal songwriter of the Kinks, started his composing career writing songs that became British Invasion classics (“You Really Got Me,” “All Day and All of the Night”), but which quickly grew more sophisticated (“Sunny Afternoon,” “Waterloo Sunset”), and gave way to collections of thematically linked songs and early rock operas (the “Arthur,” “Village Green Preservation Society,” “Lola Versus Powerman and the Moneygoround, Part 1,” “Preservation” and “Schoolboys in Disgrace” albums), and stylistically varied post-Kinks works.
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Post by HollyH on Jun 13, 2014 19:47:33 GMT -5
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Post by martin53 on Jun 16, 2014 15:45:54 GMT -5
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Post by lorendavies on Nov 17, 2016 11:43:54 GMT -5
I'm not surprised by these things and if it's Ray Davies and his Kinks less. If all his albums of the seventies are all undervalued, mistreated, misunderstood and unfairly. Fair and when most of them are masterpieces of music. Anyway, Ray Davies is in the Top 3 or 4 of the best composers of contemporary music. You do not need to be with that prize. For me you are the best !. As you wish ... John Lennon and Ray Davies or Ray Davies and John Lennon. There are only two ways. The order you put it.
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Post by HollyH on Dec 13, 2016 0:03:40 GMT -5
Amen, Lorendavies!
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Post by martin53 on Jan 4, 2017 1:13:42 GMT -5
Ray Davies is in the same league as John Lennon, Brian Wilson, Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen.
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Post by lorendavies on Jan 5, 2017 13:20:25 GMT -5
Ray Davies is in the same league as John Lennon, Brian Wilson, Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen. Martin53 I would say that Ray Davies is way above Bruce Springsteen. Not in popularity or sales, but by creativity and influences this is way above Bruce. I would put Paul McCartney and Neil Young in the same league instead of the Boss. The Boss is quite commercial and after the album The River everything that took after me bores me a lot.
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Post by martin53 on Jan 12, 2017 1:45:18 GMT -5
Ray Davies is in the same league as John Lennon, Brian Wilson, Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen. Martin53 I would say that Ray Davies is way above Bruce Springsteen. Not in popularity or sales, but by creativity and influences this is way above Bruce. I would put Paul McCartney and Neil Young in the same league instead of the Boss. The Boss is quite commercial and after the album The River everything that took after me bores me a lot.Loren, Bruce Springsteen’s „The River“ is certainly a masterpiece and his most ambitious work to date. Nevertheless did he keep on delivering others sometimes breaking off to new ground lyrically: „Nebraska“, „Born In The U.S.A.“, „Tunnel Of Love“, „The Rising“, „Devils & Dust“, „Magic“ just to name but a few. Said that Bruce Springsteen definitely belongs to „the league of four“ I came up with.
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Post by lorendavies on Jan 12, 2017 11:12:13 GMT -5
In my humble opinion, Martin53! For me Bruce Springsteen to "The River" are the most interesting albums I've heard, all others except "Born To USA", all the others sound the same, and with little musical variety and in many cases very boring. Bruce Springsteen as you will know, although he publishes bad albums he will always be very recognized by his public and the criticism of turn, all the opposite to The Kinks. And as you will know The Kinks have musical jewelry in the seventies (I would say all), and both part of the public and especially by the criticism of the turn mistreat them to satiety. It is the difference of the groups that sell a lot, (they are recognized more) and those that do not sell almost nothing, because nothing ..
Martin53, I do not know which league would play Bruce Springsteen, but in my opinion would not be in the posts "Champions League". There are many groups well above this and are less known .... As I said in my opinion is not up to and far from Ray Davies, John Lennon, Paul McCartney, Neil Young, Bob Dylan, Pete Townshend, Brian Wilson, Peter Gabriel, Jagger/Richards, Mercury/May, Leonard Cohen, Lou Reed, Van Morrison, Ian Anderson and the rest would play the "Europa League"
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Post by martin53 on Jan 13, 2017 1:36:35 GMT -5
That's fine with me Loren.
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Post by lorendavies on Jan 17, 2017 10:31:44 GMT -5
Thanks friend, Martin53
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Post by martin53 on Jan 18, 2017 3:51:44 GMT -5
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