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Post by franklima on Apr 19, 2007 23:54:40 GMT -5
It was around 1972 when I came up with the idea and the Plates first flew at a Kinks show, I don't recall the exact show although Ray mentioned he believed it was a the Capitol theatre in Passiac, I had thought it muight have been the Felt Forum in NYC...This was shortly after I started running The KinKs Appreciation Society that had originally been run by Gene Davidson out of Mansfield Ohio...anyway my original idea of the plates was not really as a way to get Ray and The Kinks to play requests, it was just a way to welcome the band on stage in the NY area with a burst of like fanfare, we brought the plates, and confetti and as soon as the lights went out and people started rushing the stage as they did at the NY show we just wanted to add to the excitement and pary carnaval like atosphere and little did we know we became the most important part of it back then as it got a lot of press duting reviews of the shows and totally tuened kinks shows in this area in to spectales that few other show could compare too. Back then it was not juist a few plates that got thrown it was literally hundred that were tossed high up in to the air as Ray bounced on stage in a frenzy to either Till the end oi the day, Top of the Pops, or Victoria the 3 staples of Kinks openers back then, and it was a magical moment during those openings at kinks shows, it was pure chaos up at the front of those shows, and the best was saved for later inthe show when we snuck the beers in and when Ray would do Alcohol and get to the part " at some salvation army mission, it's very sad " beer would be flying * gushing between audience and Ray courtesty of me and the kps fan club that I brought up front with me. The origin of writing the songs on the plates was that if I'm going to use the plates like large confetti, I might as well write something on them so I began writing every kinks song I could think of on the plates not just ones I wanted him to play, we also wrote funny things and notes on the plates for Ray and the band to read, I've seen Ray pick up a plate and just laugh at times, I think that was one that said " SHUT UP FRANK"!!! or Frank is a Krank and he lives for your music!
Enough on paper plate history 101...
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Post by Iñakink on Apr 20, 2007 16:21:02 GMT -5
Thanks for that history Frank. Keep them coming. When will we be able to finally read the book?
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Post by franklima on Apr 20, 2007 22:34:58 GMT -5
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Post by HollyH on Apr 20, 2007 22:40:11 GMT -5
Frank, I'm warning you...KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!! (And not just about the old Kinks stories...)
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Post by franklima on Apr 20, 2007 23:27:09 GMT -5
I can feel the blade already...!
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Post by Smiley on Apr 20, 2007 23:35:24 GMT -5
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Post by franklima on Apr 20, 2007 23:51:49 GMT -5
One more story for the Road...
I think it was 1971 or 72 at the Felt Forum in NYC when during the encore of what was an already pretty wild and chaotic show as only someone who ever attended an early 70's kinks shows knows exactly what I mean, anyway Ray was letting Dave take the spot light during one of the encores and I think Dave first did a rip roaring version of Good Golly Miss Molly that tore the roof off the place, and then launced into Susanhhas's Still alive, but some time during these encores Dave got a little a mischevious and decided to take a hat off one of the many security guards up at the stage ( there was a near riot already going on at the front of the stage mind you and of course I was at ground zero in the middle of it as usual...just ask Ray, and of course Dave had to pick some big burley security guard to torment) Anyway after Dave takes the hat off this guard who was really annoyed at the fact, a group of security guards appeared on the stage all pointing at Dave and starting to surround him in a semi circle, making threatning jestures and facial expressions, Dave only made the matters worse when instead of giving the hat back to the guard, he tossed it out several rows in to the chaotic crowd, I swear all hell was breaking loose at this time and I knew serious sh*t was about to go down, so I coraled several of the die hard kinks fans I knew from years of shows up at the stage and jumped on to the stage to form a human wall of fans between Dave and the guards, Kenny Jones the Kinks long time road managr also came to Dave's rescue, fist started flying and I took and gave a few blows, they seriuosly wanted a piece of Dave that night. THe audience was going totlally bonkers, I swear I've been at Ramones, Nirvanna, Sex Pistols, Clash WHO, Doors, ( and a whole lot more )and some of these the early 70's Kinks shows this one included have been some of the wildest, chaotic, intense shows I have ever been at,If my memory serves me well this was the same show that they actually pulled the power on PA system to end the show because things got so out of hand on and off the stage....then there was the time Ray stopped the show and threatned not to play if the security guards didn't put me down and as they tried to eject me from Fordam Univerities Gym during an early 70's Kinks show (when Aerosmith opened up for the kinks)...I think that date may have been December 6, 1970...and there are more stories...the Alcohol on stage beer wars between my army and Ray, as mentioned and documented in Johnnie Rogan's book, and also in the Daily News Top of the POPs column by the late Kinks loving Lillian Roxon, and the time Dave and John Dalton doused me with beer after my supply ran out..or another time at the Felt Forum Dave smashed his guitar over Goslings Keyboards, causing an already Drunk baptist to join in by toppling over the keyboards, and Avory kicking over the drums in disgust while Ray ran around the stage yelling at them like a school Mom...it was not a pretty backstage after the show that night!
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Post by HollyH on Apr 21, 2007 11:38:44 GMT -5
<sound of a grindstone being switched off> Now we're not even gonna sharpen the blade, Frank!!
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Post by TomT on Apr 21, 2007 18:15:09 GMT -5
Frank, I really want to read what you write but you really need to break in some paragraphs dude.... My old eyes just can't take that.
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Post by franklima on Apr 21, 2007 21:27:44 GMT -5
It's very hard to please the people every single time!
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Post by HollyH on Apr 21, 2007 21:53:18 GMT -5
His editor will put in the paragraphs in the finished manuscript.
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Post by franklima on Apr 21, 2007 21:57:54 GMT -5
Thanks Holly ( my editor in chief )
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Post by HollyH on Apr 21, 2007 22:51:48 GMT -5
TRY THIS TOM
It was around 1972 when I came up with the idea, and the plates first flew at a Kinks show. I don't recall the exact show, although Ray mentioned he believed it was at the Capitol Theatre in Passiac. I had thought it might have been the Felt Forum in NYC.
This was shortly after I started running The KinKs Appreciation Society that had originally been run by Gene Davidson out of Mansfield Ohio.
Annyway, my original idea of the plates was not really as a way to get Ray and The Kinks to play requests, it was just a way to welcome the band on stage in the NY area with a burst of, like, fanfare. We brought the plates and confetti, and as soon as the lights went out and people started rushing the stage (as they did at the NY shows), we just wanted to add to the excitement and party carnival-like atmosphere. Little did we know we’d become the most important part of it back then. It got a lot of press during reviews of the shows and totally turned Kinks shows in this area into spectacles that few other shows could compare to.
Back then it was not just a few plates that got thrown -- it was literally hundreds that were tossed high up into the air, as Ray bounced on stage in a frenzy to either “Till The End of the Day,” “Top of the Pops,” or “Victoria,” the 3 staples of Kinks openers back then. It was a magical moment during those openings at Kinks shows. It was pure chaos up at the front of those shows! The best was saved for later in the show, when we snuck the beers in and when Ray would do “Alcohol” – when Ray would get to the part "at some Salvation Army mission, it's very sad," beer would be flying and gushing between the audience and Ray, courtesy of me and the KPS fan club that I brought up front with me.
The origin of writing the songs on the plates was that if I'm going to use the plates like large confetti, I might as well write something on them. I began writing every Kinks song I could think of on the plates, not just ones I wanted him to play. We also wrote funny things and notes on the plates for Ray and the band to read -- I've seen Ray pick up a plate and just laugh at times (I think that was one that said " SHUT UP FRANK"!!! or “Frank is a Krank and he lives for your music!”
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Post by franklima on Apr 21, 2007 22:55:22 GMT -5
and to think she does this for me free
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Post by HollyH on Apr 21, 2007 22:56:18 GMT -5
Are you kidding? I've just added it to your bill.
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