I have a kind of love/hate relationship with Phil Collins. I loved his first couple of solo albums but he also ruined my favourite group ever, although a lot of people would not agree with that. I have just finished reading his autobiography and enjoyed reading it but there is something about him that rubs me and a lot of people up the wrong way. Here is another of his quotes that might sum him up:
"I'm sorry that it was all so successful. I honestly didn't mean it to happen like that. It's hardly surprising that people grew to hate me".
I don’t have a love or a hate relationship with Phil Collins.
«He also ruined my favourite group ever» - very interesting statement, Colb. Could you please elaborate a bit on that? To what extent if at all he has ruined the group is beyond my present knowledge. I don’t think that he even had the single power of doing so. However in the affirmative (Genesis‘ ruin) it must have been a collective effort by all the band members at that particular time. We should not lose sight of the fact that the Zeitgeist had changed dramatically in the second half of the 70s. Progressive Rock bands were still Progressive Rock bands but their musical output had become less heavier, yes lighter but still musically demanding and anchored in the classical concept. The approach to songwriting had altered too. So how -and if?- was Phil Collins able to ruin Genesis?
I take that Phil Collins was always at the right places at the right time surrounded by the right people during decades enabling him to go forward in whatever he aimed for. A successful han‘s steam in all alleys. A creative musician, singer, actor and producer with the Midas Touch. Everything he touched turned gold. And he invented the unmistakably and immediately recognisable Phil Collins drum sound in the 80’s. It is in the nature of things that very much has been written about such a popular and prolific long-lived musician. An absolute media presence which surely led to a Phil Collins Overkill for some people. But that is secondary. What counts is his amazing personal musical legacy. And of course the impressive heritage of Genesis - one of the best and finest Progressive Rock groups ever!
Thanks for the hint regarding Phil Collins' autobiography «Not Dead Yet». Put it on my shopping list.
Last Edit: Jan 27, 2020 13:32:44 GMT -5 by martin53
You are right Martin, it is not right to say he ruined my fav group because really, from my point of view, Genesis as a Prog band, ended when Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett left. The post The Lamb Genesis became far more successful but apart from the odd song they didnt interest me, but to say Phil Collins ruined my fav group is unfair. They just changed into a very successful classy pop band. My reasoning about Genesis is dominated by the fact that their first five album are my absolute fav five albums ever and always will be, so when they came out with songs like "The Invisible Touch" etc I felt betrayed which was quite wrong. Genesis had gone from prog to prog/pop which was their right to do and they did it very successfully, but it was not to my taste. Phil Collins has had an amazing career and anyone whose first solo album was "Face Value" cannot be all that bad, though strangely all his solo albums after that left me cold. After a Genesis gig at the Stafford Bingley Hall in the early 70's he was by the stage door having a beer and my friend and I went up to ask him when they were going to play Liverpool again and he said on the next tour, which they did. He talked to us for a good few minutes and was a genuinely nice guy. I will end this with another Phil Collins quote:
“I'm not a singer who plays a bit of drums. I'm a drummer that sings a bit.”
You are wrong Phil, you are a superb singer and one of the best drummers of the 80's and probably the only fault you had, from my point of view, is that you were not Peter Gabriel