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Brian
Aug 11, 2008 11:47:39 GMT -5
Post by sixtiesfan on Aug 11, 2008 11:47:39 GMT -5
I agree, but resorting to violence really isn't OK - men are physically stronger than women to start with!!!! You don't hear of women musicians beating up their men!!! Sorry to be so adamant about it, but there's really NO excuse whatsoever.
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Brian
Aug 11, 2008 16:26:48 GMT -5
Post by franklima on Aug 11, 2008 16:26:48 GMT -5
I agree totally 100% with you, and I am not and would never condone violence by a man against a woman. A lot of forms of the abuse though is often other than physical abuse and that also is not acceptable or shoudn't be anyway. Unfortuantely in our society whether it be a celebrity in the form of rock star, movie star, sports hero, politician, and even high profile jobs like policemen, firemen and so on and so on, where men make up the majority there are always women who throw themselves at these guys who if they were the mailman, the butcher, or some ordinary person they wouldn't give them the time of day let alone be chasing after them. This in itself perpetuates this kind of behaviour from men in those postions of power toward women. I am not saying it's right, I am just trying to expalin why it happens. Some of what I say is just from observastion and unfortuantely some from personal experience when I was younger and played in bands myself. Although I was never physically abusive I wasn't always upfront and truthful with women if you know what I mean
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Brian
Aug 11, 2008 17:43:24 GMT -5
Post by HollyH on Aug 11, 2008 17:43:24 GMT -5
I'm with sixties fan on this; there's no excuse. Just because a guy's a rock star doesn't mean he can do what he wants.
Brian seemed like a complicated, troubled soul. Kind of a tragic figure, even. Or maybe I'm just reading that into his history?
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Brian
Aug 11, 2008 17:45:58 GMT -5
Post by nicola6 on Aug 11, 2008 17:45:58 GMT -5
I can only repeat: "There is no excuse."
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Brian
Aug 11, 2008 18:00:22 GMT -5
Post by uncleson on Aug 11, 2008 18:00:22 GMT -5
From everything Ive read about him, that seems to be the case.
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Brian
Aug 11, 2008 18:20:55 GMT -5
Post by franklima on Aug 11, 2008 18:20:55 GMT -5
I'm glad we all agree that... There's no excuse for " a little bt of abuse "
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Brian
Aug 12, 2008 1:48:43 GMT -5
Post by sixtiesfan on Aug 12, 2008 1:48:43 GMT -5
I agree totally 100% with you, and I am not and would never condone violence by a man against a woman. A lot of forms of the abuse though is often other than physical abuse and that also is not acceptable or shoudn't be anyway. Unfortuantely in our society whether it be a celebrity in the form of rock star, movie star, sports hero, politician, and even high profile jobs like policemen, firemen and so on and so on, where men make up the majority there are always women who throw themselves at these guys who if they were the mailman, the butcher, or some ordinary person they wouldn't give them the time of day let alone be chasing after them. This in itself perpetuates this kind of behaviour from men in those postions of power toward women. I am not saying it's right, I am just trying to expalin why it happens. Some of what I say is just from observastion and unfortuantely some from personal experience when I was younger and played in bands myself. Although I was never physically abusive I wasn't always upfront and truthful with women if you know what I mean Historically men have had power over women for centuries. They've been in positions of power. When I was growing up there were a handful of successful female artistes - Dusty Springfield, Dionne Warwick, and so on. All were singers - none of them stood onstage with guitars (unless they were the likes of Joan Baez and even though she's an amazing performer, she was never rock and roll!!). I'm sure they had lots of silly offers from people who saw them onstage and perceived them as something other than who they were. It works both ways though. I've worked with men who've been physically abused by their wives (though they are in the minority, and were really embarrassed to talk about it). It must be the same for women who are successful too, they must get all kinds of stupid proposals and so on - you only have to see how the model Naomi Campbell acts to realise that she's totally out of touch with reality and living in some kind of narcissistic bubble. Lots of people in our society aren't upfront and truthful with each other in all kinds of relationships - sadly it's the way of Western society, people tend to use and abuse others in small ways all the time. I've opted out of the game, but sometimes get caught up in it when I'm caught unawares. I'd rather be a hermit than be emotionally abused - neither are a good option, but when there's no choice, it's a lesser painful suffering. I'm sure if I'd had a different family I wouldn't have been rushing off all the time to be fed by music and listen to the lives and ideas of others all the time. Back to Brian Jones, he was well educated, I agree he was a troubled soul, but then so many people are troubled souls and are able to contain their anguish or are able to find the right places for support. It's no secret that some people become violent when they're under the influence of alcohol and or drugs, he must have recognised this, but he didn't take any responsibility for this. If he was self-medicating then he needed to find help - he was living in an era when it was "hip" to try things like meditation and various alternative psychological therapies, he could have made greater use of what was available, instead of resorting to violence towards someone who isn't as strong as himself. I once knew a musician whose wife had black eyes sometimes, and I know there was emotional abuse too - it was appalling, there was no excuse for it. Fortunately their marriage ended, but I don't know if she has ever recovered.
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Brian
Aug 12, 2008 2:08:55 GMT -5
Post by HollyH on Aug 12, 2008 2:08:55 GMT -5
Poor Dusty, she had HUGE trust issues. Though she was bisexual, she ended up feeling more comfortable sleeping with women because she said she couldn't trust men. That had to stem from how people had tried to manipulate her early in her career.
I had a friend who was physically abused by her boyfriend, and there's a whole co-dependent mechanism there, a complex web of rationalizations etc. She finally realized that she was enabling this guy's violent tendencies and got out of the relationship, but it required a massive psychological effort. She had a PhD in psychology and couldn't even see what she was involved in!
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